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If you’re a regular listener of or simply interested in how women from disparate fields can learn from one another, the 22 10 02 episode is a standout. Marilyn Johnson’s seasoned, policy‑focused worldview and JC Wi’s creative, narrative‑driven approach create a dynamic that feels both instructive and emotionally resonant. The episode succeeds in turning the abstract concept of “swapping” into concrete, actionable insights—especially with the final challenge that urges listeners to put the philosophy into practice. Minor pacing hiccups aside, this episode is a high‑water mark for the series and worth a dedicated listen (and perhaps a second pass to catch the subtle nuggets you might miss the first time). daughterswap 22 10 02 marilyn johnson and jc wi exclusive